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		<title>By: iceek</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-441649</link>
		<dc:creator>iceek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 00:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I am probably very blunt. But if I understand Wikipedia is the blog of a student?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I am probably very blunt. But if I understand Wikipedia is the blog of a student?</p>
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		<title>By: SEO Linking Gotchas Even The Pros Make &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-155153</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO Linking Gotchas Even The Pros Make &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think I was the first to describe Wikipedia as a black hole of link equity, explained why you should nofollow Wikipedia extensively, and was one of the first to promote Ken&#039;s Nofollow Wikipedia [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think I was the first to describe Wikipedia as a black hole of link equity, explained why you should nofollow Wikipedia extensively, and was one of the first to promote Ken&#39;s Nofollow Wikipedia [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Haer</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-131756</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Haer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The purpose of this attribute is to stop comment spammer(loans, gambling, dating-services) on blogs and forms, not to stop scientist writing papers on their own site.  It seems to me the good of this out weighs the bad, easily.  Or I could post links to my site all over you blog to help my PageRank. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of this attribute is to stop comment spammer(loans, gambling, dating-services) on blogs and forms, not to stop scientist writing papers on their own site.  It seems to me the good of this out weighs the bad, easily.  Or I could post links to my site all over you blog to help my PageRank. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Hjalmars it-blogg &#187; Google - the evil empire?</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-22202</link>
		<dc:creator>Hjalmars it-blogg &#187; Google - the evil empire?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 13:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://andybeard.eu/2007/01/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-22202</guid>
		<description>[...] eller tio i signaturen. Googles metod Ã¤r alltsÃ¥ inte helt hundraprocentig, den Ã¤r lite fÃ¶r trubbig - ett nÃ¶dvÃ¤ndigt ont enligt mÃ¥nga. Googles mÃ¥l Ã¤r sjÃ¤lvklart att sÃ¥ mÃ¥nga som mÃ¶jligt [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] eller tio i signaturen. Googles metod Ã¤r alltsÃ¥ inte helt hundraprocentig, den Ã¤r lite fÃ¶r trubbig &#8211; ett nÃ¶dvÃ¤ndigt ont enligt mÃ¥nga. Googles mÃ¥l Ã¤r sjÃ¤lvklart att sÃ¥ mÃ¥nga som mÃ¶jligt [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How Timing of Link Attribution Affects Syndication and Search Results : Blog Archive Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-5423</link>
		<dc:creator>How Timing of Link Attribution Affects Syndication and Search Results : Blog Archive Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] much like I described with the Wikipedia Nofollow situation, and correct attribution, if you don&#039;t have links back to your original content from what is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] much like I described with the Wikipedia Nofollow situation, and correct attribution, if you don&#39;t have links back to your original content from what is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Blog &#187; Your comments get indexed on shawnblog.com</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-4659</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Blog &#187; Your comments get indexed on shawnblog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in all their posts&#8211;again, presumably to prevent spam from being indexed. This means that the folks spending time adding content to Wikipedia entries have been building something that doesn&amp;.... The general consensus is that this is a huge disservice to everyone who uses the web since [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in all their posts&#8211;again, presumably to prevent spam from being indexed. This means that the folks spending time adding content to Wikipedia entries have been building something that doesn&#38;&#8230;. The general consensus is that this is a huge disservice to everyone who uses the web since [...]</p>
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		<title>By: about:blank &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikipedia e nofollow: a palavra final</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-4259</link>
		<dc:creator>about:blank &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wikipedia e nofollow: a palavra final</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Exactly Why Nofollow at Wikipedia is bad  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-4191</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are using an attribute designed for search engines to prevent the search engines using the link in their calculations for  duplicate content and origin.

They are not doing it effectively, because Yahoo ignores it, and who knows, maybe Google will as well in the future.

It is quite possible what Google will do is just use a historical snapshot of links, including all the spam it contained.

I think the person an idea originates from is a relevant result. It might be less relevant than the Wikipedia entry of compiled works, but they certainly deserve a position higher than 50th in the SERPs for their original idea.

I don&#039;t believe forcing change in algorithms is such a good idea. The way things are a link to Wikipedia means something, just like a link out to related sources.

It seems Wikipedia are hoping that links from them will become devalued. The best way to do that immediately is to reduce the value and relevance of a link to Wikipedia, then they have less juice to pass on.

In many ways the search engines should treat Wikipedia as a bunch of rehashed duplicate content, linked to automatically simply because it can be done without much care.
I am sure they devalue a lot of the links to Technorati in the same way, who also use nofollow for outgoing links.

Wikipedia almost gets linked to now by default, simply because they are already at the top of the search results on every search.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are using an attribute designed for search engines to prevent the search engines using the link in their calculations for  duplicate content and origin.</p>
<p>They are not doing it effectively, because Yahoo ignores it, and who knows, maybe Google will as well in the future.</p>
<p>It is quite possible what Google will do is just use a historical snapshot of links, including all the spam it contained.</p>
<p>I think the person an idea originates from is a relevant result. It might be less relevant than the Wikipedia entry of compiled works, but they certainly deserve a position higher than 50th in the SERPs for their original idea.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe forcing change in algorithms is such a good idea. The way things are a link to Wikipedia means something, just like a link out to related sources.</p>
<p>It seems Wikipedia are hoping that links from them will become devalued. The best way to do that immediately is to reduce the value and relevance of a link to Wikipedia, then they have less juice to pass on.</p>
<p>In many ways the search engines should treat Wikipedia as a bunch of rehashed duplicate content, linked to automatically simply because it can be done without much care.<br />
I am sure they devalue a lot of the links to Technorati in the same way, who also use nofollow for outgoing links.</p>
<p>Wikipedia almost gets linked to now by default, simply because they are already at the top of the search results on every search.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Roberts</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-4188</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, so really your argument is that wikipedia are misusing the nofollow attribute in the sense of using it for links that are trusted (although the question is, of course, how reliably they know that).  The issue about which article comes up first in search engines seems to be slightly orthogonal. 

The fundamental question there is, &#039;does this make the search result more or less relevant to the user&#039;, not &#039;does this search result credit the right person for an idea&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so really your argument is that wikipedia are misusing the nofollow attribute in the sense of using it for links that are trusted (although the question is, of course, how reliably they know that).  The issue about which article comes up first in search engines seems to be slightly orthogonal. </p>
<p>The fundamental question there is, &#8216;does this make the search result more or less relevant to the user&#8217;, not &#8216;does this search result credit the right person for an idea&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Toile-filante &#187; Archive du blog &#187; Wikipedia et nofollow, la vrai-fausse solution</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/295/exactly-why-nofollow-at-wikipedia-is-bad.html#comment-3986</link>
		<dc:creator>Toile-filante &#187; Archive du blog &#187; Wikipedia et nofollow, la vrai-fausse solution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Voici toutes mes sources [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Voici toutes mes sources [...]</p>
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