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	<title>Comments on: Wolfpack of Lies &#8211; Hack Baiting Web 2.0 Startups For Diggs</title>
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		<title>By: Performancing Metrics Could Steal Your Undies &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-9130</link>
		<dc:creator>Performancing Metrics Could Steal Your Undies &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As mentioned above, Darren Rouse and a number of others had reported it, and as I previously wrote, it was fairly obvious that MyBlogLog was tracking Adsense. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As mentioned above, Darren Rouse and a number of others had reported it, and as I previously wrote, it was fairly obvious that MyBlogLog was tracking Adsense. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: O&#8217;Flaherty - &#187; OFlaherty Episode #04 SOB&#8217;s</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6794</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#8217;Flaherty - &#187; OFlaherty Episode #04 SOB&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andy Beard [...]</description>
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		<title>By: O&#8217;Flaherty - &#187; Setting the wrong precedent</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6769</link>
		<dc:creator>O&#8217;Flaherty - &#187; Setting the wrong precedent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andy wrote a damn good post&#160;covering the&#160;entire debacle, and pretty much hits the nail on the head. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andy wrote a damn good post&nbsp;covering the&nbsp;entire debacle, and pretty much hits the nail on the head. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cleaning up the mess over at MyBlogLog &#187; mathewingram.com/work</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6683</link>
		<dc:creator>Cleaning up the mess over at MyBlogLog &#187; mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over at TechCrunch, I would argue he was just showing off, not being malicious, although Andy Beard doesn&#8217;t agree), Eric&#8217;s post is the kind of thing I like to see. With a small startup &#8212; albeit one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over at TechCrunch, I would argue he was just showing off, not being malicious, although Andy Beard doesn&#8217;t agree), Eric&#8217;s post is the kind of thing I like to see. With a small startup &#8212; albeit one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MyBlogLog Tracks Ad Clicks: Does This Matter? &#187; Web Marketing News</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6668</link>
		<dc:creator>MyBlogLog Tracks Ad Clicks: Does This Matter? &#187; Web Marketing News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This seems to be a growing trend, and so many bloggers are falling for the linkbait, poorly researched content, and unethical marketing practices. (continues) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This seems to be a growing trend, and so many bloggers are falling for the linkbait, poorly researched content, and unethical marketing practices. (continues) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MyBlogLog = Tracking Google Ad Clicks? &#187; Webomatica</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6667</link>
		<dc:creator>MyBlogLog = Tracking Google Ad Clicks? &#187; Webomatica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Additional Reading: 091 AM, Net Business Blog, Caterina.net, WebProNews, Mathew Ingram, Finding The Money, Andy Beard [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Additional Reading: 091 AM, Net Business Blog, Caterina.net, WebProNews, Mathew Ingram, Finding The Money, Andy Beard [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6666</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 03:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following this saga. The &#039;startling revelation&#039; Shoemoney posted about the ad-click tracking was totally calculated. What half-way serious Adsense&#039;r could fail to notice the ad tracking the very first time they checked their MBL stats? Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following this saga. The &#8216;startling revelation&#8217; Shoemoney posted about the ad-click tracking was totally calculated. What half-way serious Adsense&#8217;r could fail to notice the ad tracking the very first time they checked their MBL stats? Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6658</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan glad to have provided somewhere as an outlet, and it wouldn&#039;t have mattered to me if you had posted the opposite to my own opinion. Everyone is entitled to their views.

I read Shoemoney&#039;s blog - sometimes he posts some great worthwhile content, but I totally agree there is a line, and he among others is crossing it more and more frequently in my opinion.

I am worried about the knock on effect - I know how many good hackers there are out there who would look on this as fun, and any pocket money just a bonus. I am not talking typical script kiddies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan glad to have provided somewhere as an outlet, and it wouldn&#8217;t have mattered to me if you had posted the opposite to my own opinion. Everyone is entitled to their views.</p>
<p>I read Shoemoney&#8217;s blog &#8211; sometimes he posts some great worthwhile content, but I totally agree there is a line, and he among others is crossing it more and more frequently in my opinion.</p>
<p>I am worried about the knock on effect &#8211; I know how many good hackers there are out there who would look on this as fun, and any pocket money just a bonus. I am not talking typical script kiddies</p>
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		<title>By: That Not So Fresh Feeling &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkbaiting is Annoying</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6657</link>
		<dc:creator>That Not So Fresh Feeling &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkbaiting is Annoying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a voice of reason came through my feed reader. I&#8217;m hoping we&#8217;re reaching a tipping point. I&#8217;m hoping [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a voice of reason came through my feed reader. I&#8217;m hoping we&#8217;re reaching a tipping point. I&#8217;m hoping [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/484/wolfpack-of-lies-hack-baiting-web-20-startups-for-diggs.html#comment-6656</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a total z-lister, but I&#039;ve been mulling over talking about this for the past few days. The insanity about this dust-up is that the &quot;wronged&quot; party in this case is someone who games search engines and social media for a living.

I hold no ill-will towards SEO or SMO experts, and I love me some Digg and some widgets (in fact, in my day-to-day job at a shared web hosting company, we&#039;re trying to implement such tools to reach out to our customers). But the gall of someone who makes his living exploiting the very systems that he then moaned about being banned from takes a whole-nother level of nerve.

I used to read folks like Andy Beal and considered him alongside Danny Sullivan as a much read in the SEO industry, as it was about how the engines work and how to optimize your site to rank well. He&#039;s lost a lot of shine in this mess, as well (for what it&#039;s worth, I agreed with Jeremey Zawodny in their little beef).

What I&#039;m slowly learning, from both the web hosting industry and this field of SEO/SMO is that there&#039;s a distinct and defined line between the dorks and the marketers. It used to be that the two groups had a bit more of a give-take relationship, but lately I feel like the SEO and SMO marketing folks have moved away from optimizing within the scope of the tools (search engines, digg, widgets, or in my industry -- overselling) and instead do it at the expense of the users. It&#039;s distasteful. This is just the latest in that linkbaiting trend. Pissing and moaning about being banned from a free tool that you&#039;d spent weeks demeaning is just about the last straw for me.

That was a bit long-winded and probably should have been on my blog, as opposed to your comments, but I appreciate the outlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a total z-lister, but I&#8217;ve been mulling over talking about this for the past few days. The insanity about this dust-up is that the &#8220;wronged&#8221; party in this case is someone who games search engines and social media for a living.</p>
<p>I hold no ill-will towards SEO or SMO experts, and I love me some Digg and some widgets (in fact, in my day-to-day job at a shared web hosting company, we&#8217;re trying to implement such tools to reach out to our customers). But the gall of someone who makes his living exploiting the very systems that he then moaned about being banned from takes a whole-nother level of nerve.</p>
<p>I used to read folks like Andy Beal and considered him alongside Danny Sullivan as a much read in the SEO industry, as it was about how the engines work and how to optimize your site to rank well. He&#8217;s lost a lot of shine in this mess, as well (for what it&#8217;s worth, I agreed with Jeremey Zawodny in their little beef).</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m slowly learning, from both the web hosting industry and this field of SEO/SMO is that there&#8217;s a distinct and defined line between the dorks and the marketers. It used to be that the two groups had a bit more of a give-take relationship, but lately I feel like the SEO and SMO marketing folks have moved away from optimizing within the scope of the tools (search engines, digg, widgets, or in my industry &#8212; overselling) and instead do it at the expense of the users. It&#8217;s distasteful. This is just the latest in that linkbaiting trend. Pissing and moaning about being banned from a free tool that you&#8217;d spent weeks demeaning is just about the last straw for me.</p>
<p>That was a bit long-winded and probably should have been on my blog, as opposed to your comments, but I appreciate the outlet.</p>
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