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		<title>By: svend</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-18857</link>
		<dc:creator>svend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the great info.  I don&#039;t know much about blogging yet, but I find a lot of your articles very helpful in explaining the fundamentals.  I use it as a reference to answer my many questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the great info.  I don&#8217;t know much about blogging yet, but I find a lot of your articles very helpful in explaining the fundamentals.  I use it as a reference to answer my many questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-16114</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one that is more recent is a comment on Robert Scoble&#039;s blog - comments do seem to sometimes encourage posts to be relisted, though I am not sure of exactly the mechanism.

The 2 more dated posts are on Google&#039;s official blogs. It is hard to rank against Google, even if they don&#039;t have all the words in the title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one that is more recent is a comment on Robert Scoble&#8217;s blog &#8211; comments do seem to sometimes encourage posts to be relisted, though I am not sure of exactly the mechanism.</p>
<p>The 2 more dated posts are on Google&#8217;s official blogs. It is hard to rank against Google, even if they don&#8217;t have all the words in the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-16112</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,

It does appear that a lot of weight is placed on the title - a lesson for us all to pay close attention to the title. I noticed this post appears at #4 on blogsearch for &quot;blog search&quot; (one more recent, two dated.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>It does appear that a lot of weight is placed on the title &#8211; a lesson for us all to pay close attention to the title. I noticed this post appears at #4 on blogsearch for &#8220;blog search&#8221; (one more recent, two dated.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-16096</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Meg, I know you are not being snippy on these things. I didn&#039;t actually claim I expected to outrank Alister&#039;s post on Darren&#039;s blog.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
All things being equal (which they never seem to be), I should always outrank Techcrunch or Problogger when discussing something like Blogsearch, but there are other factors, as you can see by the fact that Alister&#039;s blogsearch post on Problogger.net is still outranking my post with an almost identical title (though it does have more words in it)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All things aren&#039;t equal and there are lots of factors which would mean that a post on Darren&#039;s blog would rank higher, despite Darren not using things like tagging.

1. Pagerank - Darren&#039;s toolbar pagerank is 7, my toolbar pagerank is 5 - those are 3 months out of date, so Darren might be approaching PR8 now, and I might be approaching PR6, but that is impossible to accurately predict.
2. Links - without doubt Alister&#039;s post generated a lot of links - Google seem to see these faster than for the main index, although that doesn&#039;t mean they give a weighting immediately.
3. Maybe I am wrong on Digg - It is my belief it isn&#039;t used as a ranking factor, but it gives a huge amount of traffic which might be a factor. I don&#039;t post how many views my posts get, but whilst that post did get more views than Alisters got Diggs, due to some solid SU traffic, I would estimate Alisters post was seen by 20x the number of people, both on site and in feeds.

4. I referenced Alister&#039;s post and his was written 1 day before my own, thus in part, I am making Alister relevant. Whilst all the other blogs are falling away, I had existing historical relevance, thus that link might be the most powerful link that Alister&#039;s post received on this subject.

On a fairly recent post on Tony Hung&#039;s blog about A-listers, RObert Scoble mentioed that he could probably rank for Lawnmowers.
He probably could, especially if he got some links to make him relevant.

It has been a few days since the original posts, and longevity ranking is kicking in. Lots of blogs have dropped and are being replaced by newer posts commenting on Alister&#039;s.
The Lisa&#039;s post on the Bruce Clay blog has also disappeared.

Nothing can be equal, but certainly for Blogsearch I am fairly confident that I can rank consistently high for topics I discuss.

Did you notice I didn&#039;t use &quot;Blogsearch&quot; in the title of this post? It didn&#039;t appear in the search results for &quot;Blogsearch&quot; at all, because the title really is the biggest factor currently.

We will see how the longevity goes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Meg, I know you are not being snippy on these things. I didn&#8217;t actually claim I expected to outrank Alister&#8217;s post on Darren&#8217;s blog.</p>
<blockquote><p>
All things being equal (which they never seem to be), I should always outrank Techcrunch or Problogger when discussing something like Blogsearch, but there are other factors, as you can see by the fact that Alister&#8217;s blogsearch post on Problogger.net is still outranking my post with an almost identical title (though it does have more words in it)
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<p>All things aren&#8217;t equal and there are lots of factors which would mean that a post on Darren&#8217;s blog would rank higher, despite Darren not using things like tagging.</p>
<p>1. Pagerank &#8211; Darren&#8217;s toolbar pagerank is 7, my toolbar pagerank is 5 &#8211; those are 3 months out of date, so Darren might be approaching PR8 now, and I might be approaching PR6, but that is impossible to accurately predict.<br />
2. Links &#8211; without doubt Alister&#8217;s post generated a lot of links &#8211; Google seem to see these faster than for the main index, although that doesn&#8217;t mean they give a weighting immediately.<br />
3. Maybe I am wrong on Digg &#8211; It is my belief it isn&#8217;t used as a ranking factor, but it gives a huge amount of traffic which might be a factor. I don&#8217;t post how many views my posts get, but whilst that post did get more views than Alisters got Diggs, due to some solid SU traffic, I would estimate Alisters post was seen by 20x the number of people, both on site and in feeds.</p>
<p>4. I referenced Alister&#8217;s post and his was written 1 day before my own, thus in part, I am making Alister relevant. Whilst all the other blogs are falling away, I had existing historical relevance, thus that link might be the most powerful link that Alister&#8217;s post received on this subject.</p>
<p>On a fairly recent post on Tony Hung&#8217;s blog about A-listers, RObert Scoble mentioed that he could probably rank for Lawnmowers.<br />
He probably could, especially if he got some links to make him relevant.</p>
<p>It has been a few days since the original posts, and longevity ranking is kicking in. Lots of blogs have dropped and are being replaced by newer posts commenting on Alister&#8217;s.<br />
The Lisa&#8217;s post on the Bruce Clay blog has also disappeared.</p>
<p>Nothing can be equal, but certainly for Blogsearch I am fairly confident that I can rank consistently high for topics I discuss.</p>
<p>Did you notice I didn&#8217;t use &#8220;Blogsearch&#8221; in the title of this post? It didn&#8217;t appear in the search results for &#8220;Blogsearch&#8221; at all, because the title really is the biggest factor currently.</p>
<p>We will see how the longevity goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-15938</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy

Interesting write up. 

I noticed that a lot of people attributed that article to Darren - it must be really frustrating. As you say, so many bloggers don&#039;t take the time to do a just little bit of research. I&#039;ve discovered that myself this week.

Do you think the fact that Alister&#039;s post has received 600+ diggs has any influence on where the posts rank (I know you previously stated that it wouldn&#039;t count)? Or is it purely the number of people that linked to the post?

Also interested in why you were so confident that you would &quot;outrank&quot; Alister&#039;s post (and you know I&#039;m not being snippy here - just curious)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy</p>
<p>Interesting write up. </p>
<p>I noticed that a lot of people attributed that article to Darren &#8211; it must be really frustrating. As you say, so many bloggers don&#8217;t take the time to do a just little bit of research. I&#8217;ve discovered that myself this week.</p>
<p>Do you think the fact that Alister&#8217;s post has received 600+ diggs has any influence on where the posts rank (I know you previously stated that it wouldn&#8217;t count)? Or is it purely the number of people that linked to the post?</p>
<p>Also interested in why you were so confident that you would &#8220;outrank&#8221; Alister&#8217;s post (and you know I&#8217;m not being snippy here &#8211; just curious)!</p>
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		<title>By: Court</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-15662</link>
		<dc:creator>Court</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I hate when my pages get placed in the supplemental index, I agree that they are good for search quality. You can still get some traffic from pages that are in there as well, and it&#039;s not as hard to get pages out of there as people think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I hate when my pages get placed in the supplemental index, I agree that they are good for search quality. You can still get some traffic from pages that are in there as well, and it&#8217;s not as hard to get pages out of there as people think.</p>
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		<title>By: The Magical Rose Garden</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-15345</link>
		<dc:creator>The Magical Rose Garden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The I Follow Phenomenon...&lt;/strong&gt;

A while back, in response to a post on Beta Blogger 4 Dummies, we removed the &quot;nofollow&quot; attribute from our html code to allow search spiders to find comments posted here.

The &quot;do follow&quot; movement has picked up steam in a major way. Randa Clay c...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The I Follow Phenomenon&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>A while back, in response to a post on Beta Blogger 4 Dummies, we removed the &#8220;nofollow&#8221; attribute from our html code to allow search spiders to find comments posted here.</p>
<p>The &#8220;do follow&#8221; movement has picked up steam in a major way. Randa Clay c&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cree</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-14816</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Andy (and Rob). I may go ahead and install the current version and check back later for an improved version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Andy (and Rob). I may go ahead and install the current version and check back later for an improved version.</p>
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		<title>By: robwatts</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-14660</link>
		<dc:creator>robwatts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working on it now as we speak. I think it might also be cool to have an option to shorten or lengthen the reference points for internal pages too. Currently juggling whether rewarding my own comments is a goer or not ;) 

The link that is currently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yackyack.co.uk/2007/02/25/valuing-your-readership-site-wide-links-for-top-commenters/#comment-1641&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;  just contains the standard rel=nofollow and add ons.

I&#039;ll probably blog on it later or over the weekend.

p.s loving the reply to comment option here Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on it now as we speak. I think it might also be cool to have an option to shorten or lengthen the reference points for internal pages too. Currently juggling whether rewarding my own comments is a goer or not ;) </p>
<p>The link that is currently <a href="http://www.yackyack.co.uk/2007/02/25/valuing-your-readership-site-wide-links-for-top-commenters/#comment-1641">here</a>  just contains the standard rel=nofollow and add ons.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll probably blog on it later or over the weekend.</p>
<p>p.s loving the reply to comment option here Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/676/google-blog-search-3.html#comment-14651</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a list a while back that has effectively the same result, by just using logic as to which page to display it on.

The plugin is buried a little in the comments, I might encourage him to post about it, but I want to stick it on my sidebar first.

If you also use his Tumbleweed plugin, that is one of many alternatives to increasing the number of internal links.

I will be adding that as well, and the 3rd plugin for showing posts you might have missed.

I also use dynamic growing links on my single pages which get all the comments. The number of tags increases with each comment left to even things out a little on popular posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a list a while back that has effectively the same result, by just using logic as to which page to display it on.</p>
<p>The plugin is buried a little in the comments, I might encourage him to post about it, but I want to stick it on my sidebar first.</p>
<p>If you also use his Tumbleweed plugin, that is one of many alternatives to increasing the number of internal links.</p>
<p>I will be adding that as well, and the 3rd plugin for showing posts you might have missed.</p>
<p>I also use dynamic growing links on my single pages which get all the comments. The number of tags increases with each comment left to even things out a little on popular posts.</p>
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