SchMOe – I Tagged Myself on MyBlogLog

MyBlogLogI have just tagged myself a SchMOe on MyblogLog

  • Blogs are a form of social media
  • I talk about optimizing blogs
  • MyBlogLog says:-
  • Spam – If you think someone is spamming you, tag it out loud! Internally, we like to call a user who games the system a SchMOe (Social Media Optimizer). Tag anyone who spams you with the term schmoe. Picture_13 While they have the ability to delete the tag and never see it again, WE can see it internally. As their user account racks up the schoe tag, we’ll investigate their conversations and take appropriate action.

Now Danny is yawning about tagging but then Danny doesn’t use tagging on Search Engine Land.
Andy doesn’t like being likened to the phrase.

And what are the legal ramifications of allowing just anyone to publicly label another a spammer? Calling someone a spammer – or allowing them to be called one- could be a huge detriment to their reputation, and something they may wish to contest in a libel case.

At least Andy does understand tagging has benefits, as he also uses UTW.

I was serious about tagging myself

schmoe

Come on guys, forget the theatrics, lets actually review the product and not worry about our personal ego.

Using Delicious For Tags

Fair enough, both owned by Yahoo, noone is ever going to take the right to use the tags away from MyBlogLog.

But Why Use Delicious Formatting?

For me tags have to have words split in some way, so you have

blogging tips
blogging+tips
blogging-tips
blogging_tips

All pointing to a single page, but that page shouldn’t be

bloggingtips

Search engines don’t pick up the individual words when they are joined in this way, and we have all seen domain names that are a little troublesome if the words in the domain are split in the wrong place.

Why Use Technorati?

Well unless this is the first signal that MyBlogLog intends to buy Technorati next week, they shouldn’t rely on Technorati for tags, even if they are paying them for the data.

Use Data From Feeds

  • Feeds have categories
  • Feeds have tags
  • Feeds have labels

Different blogging platforms tend to do things slightly differently, but there are only so many you have to deal with.

MyBlogLog is already picking up RSS feeds, all they have to do is use the data.

This is on Techmeme but more significantly it is on the Megite Fave Train Meme where I can see that Wendy, Matt and Robyn (on her personal blog) had something to say.

I am excited that we are starting to get some new features, I just don’t like the implementation or think they are really going far enough.

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Comments

  1. says

    Andy —

    Totally agree with you on skipping the theatrics. You’ve raised some really good issues and I’d like to respond:

    Why use Del.icio.us formatting?
    You listed a bunch of different examples for “blogging tips” tags, but you left off the one that many expert taggers use: “bloggingtips”. Since we’re aggregating tags from multiple sources (and what you see now is just the tip of the iceberg) we need to store them in the format that has the best chance of a future match. It’s easy to remove spaces and special characters but adding them, not so much.

    Why use Technorati?
    Why not? They’re a great service and we dig the people there. They provide a great service to their members and have an awesome API. What am I missing?

    Use data from feeds
    That’s a really interesting idea. Right now we’re not actually capturing any of the data in the feed so it would require some extra work, but the idea has been added to the “future development” list.

    • says

      Eric sorry for the delay in responding to comments, but I needed to get my Facebook article finished.

      One way of demonstrating why that method of tagging is bad is to give some domain name examples which I am going to steal from Bonnie (I am sure she will appreciate the link), though it is not in the content at least it will be worth something.

      Many people think using hyphens in domain names is a mistake. (I’m not one of them.) Perhaps the creators of these domain names should’ve considered using hyphens:

      whorepresents.com (would’ve become who-represents.com)
      expertsexchange.com (would’ve become experts-exchange.com)
      penisisland.com (would’ve become pen-island.com)
      therapistfinder.com (would’ve become therapist-finder.com)
      viagrafix.com (would’ve become via-grafix.com)
      Ihavegas.com (would’ve become iha-vegas.com)

      The reverse is going to happen on MyBlogLog, and a blog tagged with expertsexchange is going to have their content listed with unrelated content.

      Google treats “blogging tips” and “bloggingtips” differently – with a space you get relevant results, and without the space you get links to bloggingtips.com

      I know it is only the URL for the tag page, and there can be a benefit in having additional variations of using the same tag with and without spacing. That is why I often use lots of different versions of the same tags where there is likely to be different usage. Recently “Stompernet” and “Stomper Net” or “Portal Feeder” and “Portalfeeder”

      Tags which have a divider between words should keep it in some way.

    • says

      I also should point out that this wasn’t the first time I have suggested using tagging from the feeds, I have mentioned it in multiple articles and you have even responded in the comments.

      From when I suggested it to Bumpzee, it only took a matter of 2 days to implement automatic tagging.

      Blogcatalog have implemented it partially, though I think it was placed on the backburner for a few weeks as they certainly have a few other things to fix.

      I should point out both of those communities don’t have loads of spam filters, but but they don’t need them because they have great ways for the community to police things, and sites are vetted before inclusion.

    • says

      Meg I have Mike Sansone to thank for christening me with that title. He is determined to make me rank at the top of Google for it eventually.

  2. says

    I don’t think it’s theatrics to question why Yahoo, in the form of MyBlogLog, would consider an entire group of people to be spammers in the way they did in that post. If anything, you can point the accusation of theatrics back at them.

    If you want to review the product, then review this. Tag people as schmoes? And would this be in addition to me as a community owner having to also (1) hide them and (2) report them as spam? I need now a third way to help MyBlogLog get its spam reporting problems under control? What, MyBlogLog wasn’t getting enough data to spot problem people from the activity in the first two areas?

    Maybe the tagging in general might be useful, Andy (FYI, I tag ever single post at Search Engine Land in the form of our categories, which the main service that uses tags — Technorati — interprets. Hey, could be better — I could try to manually set things up so posts could be tagged in Delicious. But then again, you say you’re using tags, and I don’t see. I see you have links saying your pages are in different tag categories (exactly as I do), but you don’t associate those tags with bookmarking services that allow it.

    Anyway, guess I’m puzzled. Right above this comment box you’ve got an ad telling people not to use nofollow, because spam does not equal blogs. But according to MyBlogLog, social media optimization does equal spam. Yeah, that’s well worth raising a few questions about, especially given the real pain in the ass MyBlogLog spam is for a community owner that MyBlogLog fails to provide real tools to (how hard can it be to make the default for communities NOT to show messages unless than allowed. Work on that first, then give us tags).

    • says

      Danny you only concentrated on the “Schmoe” angle.

      In point of fact, you stated that labelling of spammers is OK, as long as it is not associated with SMO.

      I strongly disagree with that, because I have proof of how that is being abused on sites like StumbleUpon to organise burying.

      As for your categories, they are not working for you

      Technorati are picking your categories up from scraping your front page, because they are not appearing in your feeds.

      You are not using tags which other people might use, you have things like “Search In Pictures” which results in the tag search-in-pictures.

      That doesn’t really give any relevance for any search engine, because no one else other than you uses that tag.

      Regarding this one particular article, you are right, it is quite low on tags, but many of my posts have 20+, it really depends on the subject, and how I decide to distribute content over various duplicate content pages.

      I am experimenting with how broken Google’s reporting of supplemental results is currently.

      Most of the time I currently have 6-7000 pages cached, and supplemental results in single figures.

      I certainly wouldn’t confuse tagging blog content within blog posts, and tagging on bookmarking sites that is just backlinks, and not an important part in Google’s ranking factors, heavily overlooked.

      On a search term like Polish Gmail, which we both covered, should I be ranking both first and second, considering no one really linked to me?

      For my site Google really should be showing around 20,000 indexed, of which at least 10K should be supplemental, and they really should remove that grey bar from pages that have pagerank but are determined to be duplicate.

  3. says

    Eric said,

    “Use data from feeds?
    That’s a really interesting idea. Right now we’re not actually capturing any of the data in the feed so it would require some extra work, but the idea has been added to the “future development” list.”

    I think it is an idea that should be put on the front burner. In light of the present method which floods the page with unrelated tags
    , it is apparant that this type of tagging is doing a great dis-service. As Andy mentioned earlier, if you want to browse through tags ala Delicious — then use their service.

    Who else knows how to tag a post better than the author. I would not want to leave it in the hands of people that I don’t know, that is for sure.

    But I also equate blog tags to META keywords. I once did a tag search for ScribeFire at Technorati and the first 7 pages was all porn blogs that were auto-generated at Live Journal.

    Using a social bookmarking service such as Delicious can open Pandora’s box. It would only be a matter of time where some twisted frak would crawl out of the woodwork and label you with hundreds of perverted labels.

  4. says

    i like the tag feature. i have discoverd new blogs that i just wouldn’t of found just by searching. i think that is just silly to do. i just rather add the taggs that i feel relate to my blog and and stack tags like that.

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