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		<title>By: Stalk Sphinn for SEO tips &#124; Blogging Sueblimely</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-224050</link>
		<dc:creator>Stalk Sphinn for SEO tips &#124; Blogging Sueblimely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beard gives one of his usual honest and pragmatic appraisals of Sphinn on Sphinn - SEM Attention Wars where he says: &#8220;Sphinn now exists, and will likely capture the attention of a large [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sphinn All Unsphunn &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-179102</link>
		<dc:creator>Sphinn All Unsphunn &#124; Andy Beard - Niche Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I first wrote about Sphinn 6 months ago, almost to the day, and my emphasis was on attention, market segmentation and building bridges within the industry. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What To Do When You Have Nothing To Do &#124; The Tao of Blogging to Wealth</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-77419</link>
		<dc:creator>What To Do When You Have Nothing To Do &#124; The Tao of Blogging to Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many posts. But not limited to stumbling and digging. I&#8217;m also Sphinning around. You know Sphinn right? It&#8217;s another BETA version of popular social media site specially made ofÂ  SEO &amp; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] many posts. But not limited to stumbling and digging. I&#8217;m also Sphinning around. You know Sphinn right? It&#8217;s another BETA version of popular social media site specially made ofÂ  SEO &amp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SFINN, SVIN, SPHINN Whatever! &#124; aimcClearBlog &#187; aimClear Search Marketing Blog</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-60147</link>
		<dc:creator>SFINN, SVIN, SPHINN Whatever! &#124; aimcClearBlog &#187; aimClear Search Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andy, Rand, and Barry donâ€™t actually pronounce the â€œHâ€ when talking among themselves and snicker [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Human Element of Search - SEO Vision</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-54646</link>
		<dc:creator>The Human Element of Search - SEO Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] today I finally caught up with the hype, controversy, and promise about Sphinn, and have to say&#8230; even if it&#8217;s a popularity contest, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-52904</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your problem Andy? 

Danny mentioned BUMPzee! and a number of other similar services on the Daily SearchCast on 7/12 when Sphinn was launched. It&#039;s not like he ignores the existing services completely in is coverage of search marketing news. 

He mentions Sphinn (his baby) more frequent; of course he does. He also mentions SMX more often than SES, especially right before a SMX event. He will still cover SES and PubCon etc.

That he does self promotion is completely natural. They over at SEL also have bills to pay. 

I never heart him talking bad about BUMPZee or making claims like &quot;Sphinn&quot; is much better than xyz.  It would be inappropriate, if he did.

That friends of SEL and Danny are more likely to post about something they do and probably also in a more forgiving and favorable manner is also normal. 

David Naylor and Rand etc. are Danny&#039;s friends. David for example posted about Sphinn the same day Danny announced it on Daily SearchCast, as he said during the show, without Danny asking him to do so. 

Am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your problem Andy? </p>
<p>Danny mentioned BUMPzee! and a number of other similar services on the Daily SearchCast on 7/12 when Sphinn was launched. It&#8217;s not like he ignores the existing services completely in is coverage of search marketing news. </p>
<p>He mentions Sphinn (his baby) more frequent; of course he does. He also mentions SMX more often than SES, especially right before a SMX event. He will still cover SES and PubCon etc.</p>
<p>That he does self promotion is completely natural. They over at SEL also have bills to pay. </p>
<p>I never heart him talking bad about BUMPZee or making claims like &#8220;Sphinn&#8221; is much better than xyz.  It would be inappropriate, if he did.</p>
<p>That friends of SEL and Danny are more likely to post about something they do and probably also in a more forgiving and favorable manner is also normal. </p>
<p>David Naylor and Rand etc. are Danny&#8217;s friends. David for example posted about Sphinn the same day Danny announced it on Daily SearchCast, as he said during the show, without Danny asking him to do so. </p>
<p>Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for tripping the spam filter, links to Google.com do trip it due to a long spate of someone spam commenting with just links to Google.com

Danny if you or SEOmoz were using tagging on your blogs, and wrote a post regarding the search results for buying blue pills, then tagging it &quot;buy viagra&quot; wouldn&#039;t be a problem.

There are all kinds of ways you could have a more extensive approved category architecture.

In many ways you executed an ideal marketing strategy for the launch.

Invite key people to beta test a few weeks early - that almost guarantees coverage, but it almost guarantees positive coverage, overlooking any shortcomings.
I have read loads of reviews and people who when they do paid reviews of services whose opinion I trust a huge amount only wrote 100% &quot;PR&quot; like reviews of the service.
In many ways I am disappointed in them, because you did mention a competitor in your announcement and due to various commercial reasons it is hard to talk about a competitor in any way if you have a similar product launch.

Those blog search results are not very conclusive

One is my story
One is a splog picking up your story on Google News
Your story doesn&#039;t appear because your feeds aren&#039;t very RSS search friendly
One is a comment by Carsten that I linked to in my post
Maki always writes indepth reviews covering multiple angles - I would be shocked if that wasn&#039;t the case
One is my story on a competing social site that hasn&#039;t been kicked out yet
One is an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/webwahala/2007/07/19/my-secret-fear-about-social-media/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article on Lockergnome&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://freetraffictip.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tinu&lt;/a&gt;, again I would expect Tinu to cover all angles despite being an avid user of both PlugIM and Bumpzee.
Then there is also the coverage from James&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.insuremeblog.com/affiliate/2007/07/danny_sullivan_puts_his_sphinn.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Affiliate Marketing Blog&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Can you spot the SEO blogger among those that mentioned both?&lt;/b&gt;
I can&#039;t...

So now we look at normal Google search

Most of the listings are for people who have the Sociable plugin, or my Antisocial variant of it (better for SEO) installed, or a link to a community on bumbzee.

Even Pandia&#039;s post only appears on a category listing that contains a mention from March.

All it really highlights is that &lt;a href=&quot;http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/07/17/the-new-digg-for-online-marketers-sphinncom/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pablo Palatnik needs to look at how his RSS is indexed by Google&lt;/a&gt;, as his story wasn&#039;t appearing in Blogsearch.

I suppose it is only a minor thing that there are 1500 mentions on Sphinn on Blogsearch and 4 or 5 mention a competitor which you included in your announcement.
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=sphinn&amp;btnG=Search+Blogs

The fragmentation isn&#039;t just going to be in the SEO industry, it will also happen in Affiliate marketing.
As an example &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.affiliates4u.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Affiliates4U&lt;/a&gt; which I have only glanced at in the past and didn&#039;t even sign up.

I do agree that multiple communities can do well, but I hate seeing a potential way of unifying various niches under a single community go to waste.

I will be supporting Sphinn, I have a plugin update to finish as one example, but it is a shame about the missed opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for tripping the spam filter, links to Google.com do trip it due to a long spate of someone spam commenting with just links to Google.com</p>
<p>Danny if you or SEOmoz were using tagging on your blogs, and wrote a post regarding the search results for buying blue pills, then tagging it &#8220;buy viagra&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t be a problem.</p>
<p>There are all kinds of ways you could have a more extensive approved category architecture.</p>
<p>In many ways you executed an ideal marketing strategy for the launch.</p>
<p>Invite key people to beta test a few weeks early &#8211; that almost guarantees coverage, but it almost guarantees positive coverage, overlooking any shortcomings.<br />
I have read loads of reviews and people who when they do paid reviews of services whose opinion I trust a huge amount only wrote 100% &#8220;PR&#8221; like reviews of the service.<br />
In many ways I am disappointed in them, because you did mention a competitor in your announcement and due to various commercial reasons it is hard to talk about a competitor in any way if you have a similar product launch.</p>
<p>Those blog search results are not very conclusive</p>
<p>One is my story<br />
One is a splog picking up your story on Google News<br />
Your story doesn&#8217;t appear because your feeds aren&#8217;t very RSS search friendly<br />
One is a comment by Carsten that I linked to in my post<br />
Maki always writes indepth reviews covering multiple angles &#8211; I would be shocked if that wasn&#8217;t the case<br />
One is my story on a competing social site that hasn&#8217;t been kicked out yet<br />
One is an <a href="http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/webwahala/2007/07/19/my-secret-fear-about-social-media/">article on Lockergnome</a> by <a href="http://freetraffictip.com/">Tinu</a>, again I would expect Tinu to cover all angles despite being an avid user of both PlugIM and Bumpzee.<br />
Then there is also the coverage from James&#8217; <a href="http://www.insuremeblog.com/affiliate/2007/07/danny_sullivan_puts_his_sphinn.html">Affiliate Marketing Blog</a></p>
<p><b>Can you spot the SEO blogger among those that mentioned both?</b><br />
I can&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>So now we look at normal Google search</p>
<p>Most of the listings are for people who have the Sociable plugin, or my Antisocial variant of it (better for SEO) installed, or a link to a community on bumbzee.</p>
<p>Even Pandia&#8217;s post only appears on a category listing that contains a mention from March.</p>
<p>All it really highlights is that <a href="http://palatnikfactor.com/2007/07/17/the-new-digg-for-online-marketers-sphinncom/">Pablo Palatnik needs to look at how his RSS is indexed by Google</a>, as his story wasn&#8217;t appearing in Blogsearch.</p>
<p>I suppose it is only a minor thing that there are 1500 mentions on Sphinn on Blogsearch and 4 or 5 mention a competitor which you included in your announcement.<br />
<a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;q=sphinn&#038;btnG=Search+Blogs">http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;q=sphinn&#038;btnG=Search+Blogs</a></p>
<p>The fragmentation isn&#8217;t just going to be in the SEO industry, it will also happen in Affiliate marketing.<br />
As an example <a href="http://www.affiliates4u.com/">Affiliates4U</a> which I have only glanced at in the past and didn&#8217;t even sign up.</p>
<p>I do agree that multiple communities can do well, but I hate seeing a potential way of unifying various niches under a single community go to waste.</p>
<p>I will be supporting Sphinn, I have a plugin update to finish as one example, but it is a shame about the missed opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Interview: Rand Fishkin About UGC &#38; Social SEO Communities - Read eCopt, Sell More - eCommerce Optimization</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-52630</link>
		<dc:creator>Interview: Rand Fishkin About UGC &#38; Social SEO Communities - Read eCopt, Sell More - eCommerce Optimization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Danny&#8217;s UGC site Sphinn (launched early July 2007).  Normally, I would comment here on the current debate we are seeing over the launch of Sphinn, however this post is more about what UGC has to offer [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Danny&#8217;s UGC site Sphinn (launched early July 2007).  Normally, I would comment here on the current debate we are seeing over the launch of Sphinn, however this post is more about what UGC has to offer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Cumbrowski</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-52596</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Cumbrowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny Sullivan said: &quot;Carsten, why not launch with everything we could think of? Because we had enough to start with, and at some point, you want a real site with real users to give you real feedback. I don&#039;t consider it half done at all. I consider it a solid foundation that will grow.&quot;

Danny, I believe you misunderstood my comment. 

I said that opening BUMPzee! up, to allow the creation of any type of community, is a blessing and a curse at the same time. 

A blessing, because it allows to expand into other verticals and a curse because it also deludes stronger communities within BUMPzee! and reduces the growth of them. 

It is much harder now to promote BUMPZee to a specific vertical. Go to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bumpzee.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;homepage of BUMPzee!&lt;/a&gt; and tell me about the strong communities within the site. Do you see what I mean? You can&#039;t tell?

I don&#039;t mind having another platform out there. As I said in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seomoz.org/blog/sphinn-the-social-news-site-every-search-marketer-should-be-using#jtc30228&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my comment at SEOMoz&lt;/a&gt; Andy was referring to: &quot;The more the merrier I guess, at least does it provide choice and will cause each platform to develop further to the excitement of us users.&quot;

I also said that you will use your position in the industry to promote your new service of course. Scott did so too with BUMPzee! There is nothing wrong with that I would have been surprised if you wouldn&#039;t do it.

Not everybody here is agreeing with Andy&#039;s assessment. You are not the only one :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny Sullivan said: &#8220;Carsten, why not launch with everything we could think of? Because we had enough to start with, and at some point, you want a real site with real users to give you real feedback. I don&#8217;t consider it half done at all. I consider it a solid foundation that will grow.&#8221;</p>
<p>Danny, I believe you misunderstood my comment. </p>
<p>I said that opening BUMPzee! up, to allow the creation of any type of community, is a blessing and a curse at the same time. </p>
<p>A blessing, because it allows to expand into other verticals and a curse because it also deludes stronger communities within BUMPzee! and reduces the growth of them. </p>
<p>It is much harder now to promote BUMPZee to a specific vertical. Go to the <a href="http://www.bumpzee.com/">homepage of BUMPzee!</a> and tell me about the strong communities within the site. Do you see what I mean? You can&#8217;t tell?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind having another platform out there. As I said in <a href="http://www.seomoz.org/blog/sphinn-the-social-news-site-every-search-marketer-should-be-using#jtc30228">my comment at SEOMoz</a> Andy was referring to: &#8220;The more the merrier I guess, at least does it provide choice and will cause each platform to develop further to the excitement of us users.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also said that you will use your position in the industry to promote your new service of course. Scott did so too with BUMPzee! There is nothing wrong with that I would have been surprised if you wouldn&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>Not everybody here is agreeing with Andy&#8217;s assessment. You are not the only one :)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Beard</title>
		<link>http://andybeard.eu/904/sphinn-sem-attention-wars.html#comment-52589</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many ways Scott&#039;s roots in affiliate marketing only really cover half of the industry. I think I probably have closer connections with the &quot;other half&quot; of affiliate marketing, which I am referring to as &quot;internet marketing&quot; from my time on various forums such as HowTo and The Warrior Forum among many others, though obviously many people have some cross-over.

One of the things missing, and I have been told it will still happen is functional category filtering, which would improve things significantly.

I would then be able to launch my /wordpress community to monitor all the updates from plugin and theme developers.
I have had that community in &quot;reserve&quot; since the initial &quot;beta&quot; phase of additional managed communities was introduced, the no nofollow / dofollow community was an afterthought a couple of months later, initially intended to be run on a Wordpress blog.

I gain a fair amount of exposure from Bumpzee purely because I promote Bumpzee extensively and the same may well become true of Sphinn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways Scott&#8217;s roots in affiliate marketing only really cover half of the industry. I think I probably have closer connections with the &#8220;other half&#8221; of affiliate marketing, which I am referring to as &#8220;internet marketing&#8221; from my time on various forums such as HowTo and The Warrior Forum among many others, though obviously many people have some cross-over.</p>
<p>One of the things missing, and I have been told it will still happen is functional category filtering, which would improve things significantly.</p>
<p>I would then be able to launch my /wordpress community to monitor all the updates from plugin and theme developers.<br />
I have had that community in &#8220;reserve&#8221; since the initial &#8220;beta&#8221; phase of additional managed communities was introduced, the no nofollow / dofollow community was an afterthought a couple of months later, initially intended to be run on a WordPress blog.</p>
<p>I gain a fair amount of exposure from Bumpzee purely because I promote Bumpzee extensively and the same may well become true of Sphinn.</p>
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