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		<title>When Will New York Introduce A Google Tax?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Today&#039;s news is that Overstock have decided that they are axing 3400 affiliates in the New York area because of the previously reported &#034;Amazon Tax&#034; - which Amazon are fighting.</p>
<p>I think Janet was the first to break the news of the <a href="http://www.businessknowhow.com/blog/2008/05/overstockcom_dr.php">Overstock changes</a></p>
<p>This is a story that both Linda at <a href="http://affiliate-blogs.5staraffiliateprograms.com/1490/overstock-affiliates-new-york-tax-law.html">5 Star Affiliate Programs</a> and <a href="http://blog.affiliatetip.com/archives/overstockcom-drops-new-york-affiliates/">Shawn&#039;s Affiliate Blog</a> have been covering in depth.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/overstockcom-throws-new-york-affiliates-overboard-to-avoid-sales-tax/">New York Times also has coverage</a> and been giving out some great links.</p>
<p>Techcrunch has a Scribd copy of the original <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/14/nys-amazon-tax-takes-first-casualty-overstock-affiliates/">Overstock posted letter</a> (Shawn posted the email)</p>
<p>The New York Times reports that</p>]]></description>
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<p>Today&#8217;s news is that Overstock have decided that they are axing 3400 affiliates in the New York area because of the previously reported &#8220;Amazon Tax&#8221; &#8211; which Amazon are fighting.</p>
<p>I think Janet was the first to break the news of the <a href="http://www.businessknowhow.com/blog/2008/05/overstockcom_dr.php">Overstock changes</a></p>
<p>This is a story that both Linda at <a href="http://affiliate-blogs.5staraffiliateprograms.com/1490/overstock-affiliates-new-york-tax-law.html">5 Star Affiliate Programs</a> and <a href="http://blog.affiliatetip.com/archives/overstockcom-drops-new-york-affiliates/">Shawn&#8217;s Affiliate Blog</a> have been covering in depth.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/overstockcom-throws-new-york-affiliates-overboard-to-avoid-sales-tax/">New York Times also has coverage</a> and been giving out some great links.</p>
<p>Techcrunch has a Scribd copy of the original <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/14/nys-amazon-tax-takes-first-casualty-overstock-affiliates/">Overstock posted letter</a> (Shawn posted the email)</p>
<p>The New York Times reports that </p>
<p>Linda is also reporting that <a href="http://affiliate-blogs.5staraffiliateprograms.com/1491/california-new-york-amazon-affiliate-tax-law.html">this may soon affect California as well</a> (there are lots of affiliates in California, they like the beaches)</p>
<p>On the good side, this may soon affect our good friend Jason Calacanis, who as a new affiliate I am sure was hoping to make some money from reputable sites such as Overstock.</p>
<p>The Times reports this will affect large affiliates in New York such as <a href="http://nextjump.com/index.html">NextJump</a>, <a href="http://www.jellyfish.com/">Jellyfish</a> and Entertainment Publishing, the unit of IAC/InterActiveCorp that prints discount coupon books.</p>
<h3>So Why The Google Tax Headline?</h3>
<p>This isn&#8217;t specific to Google, it could be any website advertising.</p>
<p>Google have a referrals program for various products</p>
<p>If you run Google Adsense on your blog, you are in many ways an affiliate of Google&#8217;s advertising program, you are selling traffic on their behalf.</p>
<h3>So Where Would It Be Taxed?</h3>
<p>Lots and lots of options</p>
<ul>
<li>California &#8211; Google&#8217;s primary location</li>
<li>Where the servers are located</li>
<li>Anywhere Google has a physical presence (everywhere?)</li>
<li>The location of the company buying the advertising</li>
<li>The location of the servers of the company buying the advertising</li>
<li>The location of the person clicking an advert, or maybe the proxy server, or the company that is billed to</li>
<li>The location of the publisher displaying the ads</li>
</ul>
<p>Adwords advertisers in the EU have paid VAT since 2003 &#8211; I believe there is something similar in Taiwan<br />
Adsense publishers in the EU if required can issue Google with a VAT invoice</p>
<p>As far as I am aware, no sales tax is charged in the US at any point in the chain.</p>
<p>As soon as you start down the rabbit hole of online business, the lines get blurred</p>
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		<title>Amazon vs New York &#8211; Affiliate Can of Worms</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andy Beard</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>For years I have been paying sales tax (VAT) on purchases I make online through services such as Clickbank. It is inconvenient but it is much easier for Clickbank to work this way then to have to monitor the location of a seller and buyer.</p>
<p>The general rules in the US, as far as I can determine is that if you have a business presence in a state, you have to pay tax there. This applies if you own your own servers in the sate, or if you have employees.</p>
<p>Thus it might be beneficial for me, living in Europe to only</p>]]></description>
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<p>For years I have been paying sales tax (VAT) on purchases I make online through services such as Clickbank. It is inconvenient but it is much easier for Clickbank to work this way then to have to monitor the location of a seller and buyer.</p>
<p>The general rule in the US, as far as I can determine is that if you have a business presence in a state, you have to pay tax there. This applies if you own your own servers in the sate, or if you have employees.</p>
<p>Thus it might be beneficial for me, living in Europe to only rent servers, and to avoid hiring someone from the US as a full-time employee.</p>
<h3>The New Law Amazon Is Fighting Affects All Affiliates</h3>
<p>The chances are if you have an affiliate program, that at least one of your affiliates is based in the New York area.</p>
<p>If the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/02/nyregion/02amazon.html?_r=1&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&amp;oref=slogin">logic Amazon is using is correct</a> then anyone with an affiliate program is going to have to pay tax in NY, even if a sale is made though an affiliate link owned by a non-NY resident.</p>
<h3>Impossible To Determine If Affiliate Has NY Presence</h3>
<p>Whilst it is possible to limit an affiliate program to only affiliates from outside New York, it would be extremely hard to police.</p>
<p>An affiliate themselves could have employees in NY, or run servers there.</p>
<h3>Can of Worms</h3>
<p>Ultimately it seems to me the only fair way to handle things is an all or nothing approach. Tax all internet sales or none of them to New York residents.</p>
<p>If you run an affiliate program yourself, it might be time to consult your tax and legal advisors.</p>
<p>For more in depth coverage from a couple of weeks ago please refer to:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.revenews.com/heatherpaulson/new-york-collecting-sales-tax-from-affiliates/">Revenews</a><br />
<a href="http://www.internetretailer.com/dailyNews.asp?id=26087">Internet Retailer</a><br />
<a href="http://affiliate-blogs.5staraffiliateprograms.com/1458/affiliate-sales-tax-new-york.html">5 Star Affiliates Programs</a><br />
<a href="http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3740056/Amazon+Tax+Lands+in+New+York.htm">Internet News</a></p>
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